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Name: Incursus Class: Item Creation Tier: VII Type: Item Range: Short Description: Link An simple yet exceptionally crafted blade. Made from forged black iron and Hueco Acero this weapon was made as a simple katana, but with every aspect being worked on in exceptional detail to achieve perfection. The weapon was smithed by folding together both materials continuously, using black iron forging to imbue the weapon’s soul with the concept “Sharpness”. The tsuba(guard) and kashira(end cap) are made of Eleanor Lockwood’s oricalcum. The tsuka(handle) is made from hollowfied ironwood and wrapped Jigokucho silk. The nakago(tang) is inscribed in Retineo with Seran’s maker’s mark as well as the inscription:
I am sharp as guilt which I use to cut all things as Seran wills it.
Name: Infinite Sharpness I : Light Cut Class: Item Creation Tier: I Type: Passive Range: Self Description: As the ancient Japanese proverb goes: Blades of legendary sharpness were so perfectly crafted that their edges cut through light, rendering the user invisible. Incursus gives testament to this idea, rendering its user invisible when the blade is held in Seigan no Kamae (held directly in front of the user with the edge facing the opponent) or similar. This invisibility is not perfect, and only makes the user invisible while the edge is directly facing the target. This effect also also occurs when the blade is swung, making it, as well as the arms and parts of the body of the user, invisible during the sections of the swing where the edge faces the enemy.
Name: Infinite Sharpness II : Friction Cut Class: Item Creation Tier: I Type: Passive Range: Self Description: Along with its remarkable edge, Incursus is also polished to a near mirror shine. But this polish isn’t simply for show, were you to look at the blade with a microscope you would see a completely untarnished surface. This aspect of the blade gives it near a near frictionless surface, making it cut through the air with zero resistance. In base terms, this adds an advantage to any speed based motion the blade takes.
Name: Infinite Sharpness III : Uncuttable Cut Class: Item Creation Tier: I Type: Passive Range: Self Description: Taking the legends a step further. During its forging process, Incursus was imbued with the concept of cutting beyond the physical cutting potential of normal weapons. This allows the weapon to cut that which would normally not be impossible. Things such as (but not limited to) fire, wind, lightning, even water will be split cleanly by the blade; leaving a severed void for several posts after it is cut.
Name: Infinite Sharpness IV : Concept Cut Class: Item Creation Tier: I Type: Passive Range: Self Description: The final, and likely the most defining form of Incursus’ sharpness. The weapon is so amazingly sharp, and the idea of sharpness forged into the blade so purely, that this weapon is capable of cutting that which has no physical form or appearance. The applications of this aspect of the blade are essentially limitless, but here is an example of its uses on a solid block of steel. Upon cutting the steel the user cuts the concept of “hard”, causing the steel to become soft and malleable like clay. Or he cuts the concept of “steel”, severing the block into the iron and carbon that created it. He could also cut “Solid” causing the steel to melt into a liquid, and then proceed to cut “liquid” to turn it into a gaseous state. Alternatively he could slice the steel’s “weight” causing the metal to become light as a feather, or perhaps even chop through the material’s “potential” causing items created from the steel be poor no matter the skill of the maker. And that is only a taste of what can be accomplished with this ability. It should be noted with concept cut that the user can choose whether or not the blade damages that which is being cut, meaning if the ability was used on an ally the blade would cut into them but only cut the desired concept, leaving the flesh untouched. There are stipulations however:
{Spoiler} -Only one concept can be cut per strike. -The blade cannot break down into parts things that lack them. So while steel can potentially be broken down into iron and carbon, the remaining elements cannot be split further as they are “pure”. -The blade cannot cut through concepts that would instantly kill an opponent, such as: “Life”, “existence”, or even something like “heartbeat”. -The blade cannot cut concepts that would heal a target. -Cutting concepts that affect a target’s mind such as “identity” or certain emotions like “anger” or “joy” or similar require OOC consent. However these concepts can be severed as part of a technique, for example if a technique caused a being to become angry which caused them to become stronger, cutting “anger” would stop the technique from functioning while leaving the emotion. -Concepts like race cannot be cut without special permission from mods. For example a vizard cannot be cut into a shinigami and hollow. -A being’s “skill” cannot be cut to lower masteries, however their “strength” or “speed” can be, which causes it to be halved. IMPORTANT NOTE: Because of the complexity of this item, most notably the fourth tech, it would be impossible for me to know and write out every single stipulation and a lot of stuff will need to be worked out in objections as the item is used in threads. IMPORTANT NOTE: With Concept Cut, the outcome of the ability is not entirely within the user’s control, and will often come down to both the user and the opponent’s imagination. This also means that any cut can potentially be a double edged sword. Using the same steel example as above: If an opponent had the ability to control a piece of steel and the user were to cut “solid” to convert the steel to liquid, the opponent would still have control over the material and would now have access to liquid steel. Taking it a step further, the opponent might consider “liquid” steel to be molten, so once the steel was converted to liquid it would also be exceptionally hot, thus increasing the damage it could do, effectively turning Incursus’ power back on the user. IMPORTANT NOTE: Incursus still works off of advantages and anything of a higher tier after advantages are calculated cannot have its concepts cut by the blade.
Nice blade Pinnochio just a few things you need to clarify for me
Concept Cutting ~ im a little iffy on this one as, to me, concepts have no tier and not to mention that they are philosophically complex and very abstract, (for example if you were to cut 'hard' then it would not be 'hard' since you were able to cut it and thus the concept has not fulfilled to its purpose) another issue is that it in terms of objections and objections threads this would be very hard to debate for or defend simply because of the abstract nature of concepts themselves, thirdly and most importantly is that this sounds a lot more of a release level technique and this being a non release weapon i cant quick make the link.
I'd suggest you tone this down or if you could perhaps explain to me how one cuts a concept in a way that i can understand we can try and hash this out.
Concepts have no tier and not to mention that they are philosophically complex and very abstract, (for example if you were to cut 'hard' then it would not be 'hard' since you were able to cut it and thus the concept has not fulfilled to its purpose).
Thats kinda the point of the weapon though and its why I put the note at the bottom about how the ability really is a double edged sword. Plus this is bankai cutting power we're dealing with here so there is very little that can't be cut by it in the first place. But more importantly if the object can't be cut the blade cuts the concept by touching it with the edge. If you would like I can put in something like Seran has to say the word to alert the opponent kind of like Shunsui's color game.
Another issue is that it in terms of objections and objections threads this would be very hard to debate for or defend simply because of the abstract nature of concepts themselves.
Thats kinda the point of the objection though, and why the weapon can only cut one concept at a time to keep things simple. And as I said the effect of cutting a concept can be used by both parties so it forces people to think more outside the box then just "I have one more advantage so I win".
Thirdly and most importantly is that this sounds a lot more of a release level technique and this being a non release weapon i cant quick make the link.
Yes but this is Specialized Creation here. Wasn't the whole point of specialization to allow people to go above and beyond with the creativity and power of the thing their character is best at? Release is just more advantages which this doesn't give.
I'd suggest you tone this down or if you could perhaps explain to me how one cuts a concept in a way that i can understand we can try and hash this out.
I understand that a lot of the item is fluff but I really can't explain this better then I have. TLDR: The weapon is literally a blade where every aspect is made to beyond human levels of perfection. On top of that Seran's black iron forging lets him give items powers based on his mental design and in this case the only thing he "programmed" the blade to be was the sharpest thing he could imagine. That in turn led the blade to transcend to a higher level of cutting power on a theoretical level since bankai sharpness is the highest in terms of damage.
Fair points there I'll address them chronoligically as best I can
The issue with assigning tiers to concepts is that it complicates things a lot more than the system would allow, its basically like saying hardness has a tier or consitution has a tier, not to mention you're assuming that all weapons regardless of their tier have a concept tier equivalent to TIV, which then leads me to ask how the blade doesnt cut itself since you can cut concepts the blade is is no way exempt from its own sharpness, it could even be argued that the blade would cut its own concept making it unable to function which leads to my addressing my second point
when it comes to objections you need concrete stuff, this concept cutting debacle as you clearly mentioned can very well swing both ways, as i mentioned before if the balde can cut concepts whats stops it from cutting its own concept let alone the concept of cutting, usually things that would be backed with concrete stuff like tiers now come down to philosophical semantic arguments that serve to complicate things a lot more than originally intended.
Those are my main issues as you answered the last two quite well and i can agree with you on those.
The issue with assigning tiers to concepts is that it complicates things a lot more than the system would allow, its basically like saying hardness has a tier or consitution has a tier, not to mention you're assuming that all weapons regardless of their tier have a concept tier equivalent to TIV, which then leads me to ask how the blade doesnt cut itself since you can cut concepts the blade is is no way exempt from its own sharpness, it could even be argued that the blade would cut its own concept making it unable to function which leads to my addressing my second point
I see there was some slight confusion here. The I, II, III, and IV listed are not tiers they're just numerical labels. For the record all the techs on this item are passives. This is mostly my fault tho, since I just did it because it looks nice. But the point was the concept cutting it outside of tiers.
My argument here would be that isn't soul communication the same thing? Fullbringers don't have to worry about what tier some random item has in order to manipulate it. And about the point of the blade cutting itself I don't see it as relevant, because a target must literally be touched with the edge of the blade to have a concept cut from it, its impossible for the weapon to cut itself.
when it comes to objections you need concrete stuff, this concept cutting debacle as you clearly mentioned can very well swing both ways, as i mentioned before if the blade can cut concepts whats stops it from cutting its own concept let alone the concept of cutting, usually things that would be backed with concrete stuff like tiers now come down to philosophical semantic arguments that serve to complicate things a lot more than originally intended.
My hope was (and let me state here that I'm well aware this argument has flaws), that this weapon would give people an interesting..... "concept" (no pun intended) to fight against. For the most part I had planned on this weapon being used less on an opponent and their items/techs and more on the environment. It was most inspired by the fight in the fullbring arc where Tsukishima is fighting Bya and continuously cuts the environment with his ridiculous powers to great effect. And it cases where it was used on opponents I noted that they have creative liberties as well, meaning the point was to get people thinking differently and on the fly and hopefully any confusion or arguments would be in PMs and not objections. Once it comes down to an objection I probably lose most times because of the vague nature of the ability but hopefully if and when that happens I can add new rules to the item to make it more balanced, but I think people will like the weapon and its abilities enough to go with it a bit and work it into how the fight goes just out of interest.
I think you've made very fair points and I do consider them when I say I want to try meet you halfway here, all I ask is that when it does come to concept cutting you add a disclaimer stating you cannot cut anything above the tier you've specified for the weapon if you want greater range you can increase the tier but it needs to be put in bold and clear writing that should whatever item it comes into contact with be of greater tier than it would have no effect since its still reiryoku vs reiryoku and thus the constitution of the whatever you're cutting is greater than your ability to separate its concepts or you could only cut it at a far weaker level than originally intended.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Incursus still works off of advantages and anything of a higher tier after advantages are calculated cannot have its concepts cut by the blade.
however i will not lock and move it till you put the item in the appropriate template format, once you've done this post in the notification thread and i'll lock and move it.
edit as of 8/5/2015: pending staff discussion on new template.
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