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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jun 7, 2016 12:14:27 GMT
Could going through some major turmoil, for example, going Vizard, trigger enough of a change for a shinigami that if they were CRS, they would cease to become CRS but would also lose all the associated advantages/disadvantages?
Or could a shinigami even potentially merely train extraordinarily hard to regain control over their reiatsu and seal it causing them to lose the perks and disadvantages?
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Post by Liam O'Brian on Jun 7, 2016 14:30:51 GMT
This has been something that was addressed before. Not sure if there was an official topic about it. But there was some hubbub in the chat about it.
Basically, once you hit Average Zan spirit and master your Shikai. It is stuck in whatever state it is currently in. So if you are Constant Release. You'll never be able to seal your Zan again.
That said. There is the small mention in the Item Creation guide that 12th Squad members that have Mastered Item Creation can modify Zanpakuto. So maybe that's a way around it? The guide only gives the matter a brief mention. But it stands to reason that one could theoretically seal or constantly release their sword through artificial means.
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Post by BM on Jun 7, 2016 22:18:45 GMT
Here is the official response given to this question previously: Official Staff Response
TLDR; Read the guides when in doubt. They are there for a reason.
This is beginning to get a bit out of hand. As mods we have given our official ruling on the subject, just kinda split between the three of us. Here is the recap:
Constant Release Shikai is rare even within the canon, with Ichigo having the only confirmed canon example. That being said the powers it gives are vague at best and we have taken liberties to make them functional on the site. Just because something is a certain way in the canon does not mean we can allow it here for balance reasons.
The effect of CRS comes from the overwhelming reiatsu/reiryoku of the shinigami. It is so massive that it is not that they lack the skill to control it, but that it cannot be controlled.
CRS works the same as a normal shikai, meaning if you want to edit any part of it this must be done before mastering it. This includes removing CRS. If you master your shikai while it is CR you are effectively accepting the positives and negatives of the effect.
The only other way to remove the effect is gain a new zanpakuto IC (which can be done).
And lastly as BM went over, just because something is said by a mod in Cbox does not mean it’s set in stone. If you had wanted a direct answer as to not “ruin your character” you should have gone to the helpdesk and gotten a response written out thoughtfully and backed by a majority of staff, and even then all things are subject to change for balance reasons. It’s far too easy for mods to read something wrong in the cbox because of its fast pace.
This is our final response and as such we will be locking the thread.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jun 8, 2016 0:31:04 GMT
Ahh okay thanks!
So while I had read the guide and understood, I had been told on a helpdesk thread before that going Vizard entitled you to minor changes to your release due to the upheaval on your soul. Wasn't sure if that was still relevant. Guess not! (And actually... I think I might have made changes to a mastered zan based on that at some point in the past)
What about Jester's point, since as he said IC guide explicitly states Zans can be modified? Or can they only be modified if the Zan isn't mastered.
I think some of the time, there are issues where things are sliiiightly contradictory in different guides and stuff, and it's just sanity checking which guide is correct in a given circumstance.
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Post by KUM0 on Jun 15, 2016 11:51:23 GMT
You can tinker with your zanpakuto but in terms of site mechanics not at mastered (simply because no one is allowed to without completely resetting their release and starting from scratch/beginner) as that is the end all be all in terms of zanpakuto training.
In regards to Jest's point if we're talking CRS this only goes as far as making some sort of limiter for your power(even though mayuri did tinker with his zanpakuto there was no mention or even an implication of tinkering with sealing/unsealing most assumedly because that would be Nimaiya's area of expertise being a zan forger) even then you yourself wouldn't really be controlling it you'd just have a limiter of sorts (like kenpachi's eyepatch).
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jun 16, 2016 4:45:29 GMT
So perhaps we could have something that limited the flow of our reiatsu, enabling us to seal the zan (if we got someone at Spec, potentially with a specialization into zans to do it) but without being able to surpass the cap on Rei Control?
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Post by KUM0 on Jun 18, 2016 12:19:37 GMT
You could get someone to limit the reiatsu of the zan but not seal it, thats why its called constant release, it wouldnt be constant if you could seal it. You're only limiting the the large wads of power you're putting out as a result of the zan not sealing it entirely.
To seal a release effectively would require another release (as demonstrated by Aizen's creation of Wonderweiss) and to even create or modify arrancar requires a level of item creation well beyond anyone's access on the site, basically the only way to 'seal' a constant release zan in terms of site standards would be a complete overhaul of that zanpakuto entirely.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jun 18, 2016 12:53:11 GMT
Which you can only do once per member by getting a new one right?
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Post by Seran on Jun 19, 2016 1:09:59 GMT
I'm not even sure its a once per member freebe. The only way I know of to get a new zan is to take one from an OC.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jun 19, 2016 3:49:03 GMT
Shini guide says you're allowed a single new zan "per account". Technically that is "per character" now since we are a character per account site. But I assumed it was still "per member"
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Post by BM on Jun 19, 2016 4:10:11 GMT
From what I remember that not just a free redo, its if/when you lose or have your zan destroyed you can get a new zanpakuto from the Gotei.
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