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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Aug 14, 2015 17:17:06 GMT
NOTE: I originally wrote this as a staff member on the old site and posted it to the staff boards. Nothing ever really came of it but I wondered what the members would think of it. But as a result of its origin, the tone is very different to what I would usually post as feedback.
Okay so I've had feedback from several members about issues- this has been raised generally on the c-box too, but it's something a couple people have talked to me about personally too. The jist of this is that people feel the board is currently a bit "slice-of-life" with a Bleach backdrop. So many momentous things have happened in the history of the site, such as the large plot where Lyn became a vizard, or even the time when Renji was kidnapped by Theo. There are other large plot things that are slightly lesser- like Dyo's continued occupation of Las Nochas, and Fang's CC Sub-Shini being booted out and Soul-sleep'd. There are probably loads more but that's the problem- I don't rembmer. No-one remembers.
We have a crap collective memory and this is part of the problem, nothing the players do ever really amounts to anything. (No offence guys!) I realize that RP is about taking on the role of your character and developing them personally but usually there is some degree of reward for that, other than "you can hit things really hard"- leveling for the sake of leveling is not fun. The reward comes in the form of actual power or prestige and the ability to change things, which is not necessarily correlated to your rank.
My idea is to give members a form of gratification in order to promote creative plotting, and put some drama and tension back into our little world!
STAFF-RUN GOTEI-13 LISTS
This one is race-specific. Clearly leaving this to canon-holders doesn't work. I want seated positions to be a thing, and I want them to have a purpose. Here are some ideas for what benefits characters with seated positions could gain access to:-
-Higher kido learning caps. -"Thread invasion" for unseated/lesser seated in Seireitei/their squad board. -Unseated shinigami can have threads invaded in Human world by their seated superiors.(?) -Tech level learning cap for unseated shini(?) -No Bankai for unseated shinigami. (SS would only teach the method for pulling spirit into real world to seated officers) (?)
These are just some ideas that can be played about with. There are a very large number of characters who are shinigami on site and so this would affect a lot of the members. It would give them something to strive for and would actually give the site's Gotei some semblance of organization. Obviously there are problems with ranks given our OCs are generally way stronger than most Bleach seated officers. Perhaps an avenue to potentially explore would be an OC "powerhouse" squad, almost something squad-zero style, offering shinigami some canon positions as the taichou and fuku-taichou as well as all the seats, however that is going a little beyond the scope of this thread and I am aware that shini have something similar in the Crisis Core however this would only be open to seasoned characters of very high rank. Anyways that is merely a suggestion or something to consider. Obviously if a canon-holder is feeling pro-active they can also take up the role! But many to
BOARD DESCRIPTION MODIFICATION REQUESTS
Yeah that's right. This might seem like a totally crazy idea but the idea that a character can shape the world around them with their actions is a key part of successful roleplay. It's why we love fully-interactable environments in games, it's why table-top RPGs work so well. That ability to creatively adapt the world around you is one of the major draws of text-based RP!
The idea is is that a member can post an [OPEN] thread in a board and detail themselves doing something that would ostensibly affect the description of the board they have posted in. After having made the action IC, they can post using a template saying they have done it. However members then have X days(?) to respond to the original post if they want to stop whoever did it from making the alterations. Any member who wishes to object in this way must respond to the request in the Board Description Modification Board, until the situation is resolved IC. If the original character is able to subdue those trying to thwart them, they can then update their thread, with a response time of half the original (i.e. there are X/2 days for a response, then X/4, etc.). This continues until either their character is stopped, or their changes go uncontested for the required amount of time. Staff can then judge the changes made in the thread; if you get the shit beat out of you trying to do something complex, then you won't be able to do it without resting and trying again. Staff could also issue bounties and warrants against a character as part of the result- if you tried to blow up Karakura Town then you would enable shinigami to invade all of your future threads.% Staff can then can edit the board description accordingly.
An important note is that this would probably only affect sub-boards (partly due to the awkwardness if someone nuked a board and then we had to edit all of the sub-boards). Boards in "The World" category would not be able to be affected either because you can't affect every river in the world simultaneously. Moreover, even if someone does nuke a board, it would be entirely possible for someone else to fix it in a following thread.%
So to make things clear;
1)Member A posts IC thread detailing the changes they're making. 2)Member A posts board change notification thread and waits. 3)Member B responds to IC thread in opposition. 4)Member B posts in request thread to signal a halt of the "countdown timer". 5)The conflict between Members A and B is resolved. If A is the loser, the process ends here. 6)If B is the loser (or if they go inactive), the countdown timer starts back up at half its original time (to a minimum of 1-2 days) 7)Steps (3)-(6) repeat until A is subdued, or until a countdown timer runs out. 8)Member A posts at the end of the timer with the changes they would like based on their thread. 9)Staff judge, and make changes accordingly. 10)Changes are added to a "Site-history"* thread.
Due to talking to Koz I'd also say that even when the countdown timer stops, people should have to respond to all posts within 1-2 days maximum.
*(more on this in a sec).
As you can see, this system is great for staff, who all they have to do is check the completed Request threads and then make a judgement.There's virtually no effort involved! Staff literally only get involved at stage (9) of this process! And yet it gives members an opportunity to make real concrete changes! It means that players are rewarded for having strong, well-developed characters (which tends to feel a bit pointless at the minute- they are kind of stuck in a rutt where their interactions are all either pointless fights with little reason or social threads) and it also does something incredibly important; it allows villainous characters a chance to attempt devious things, and gives them a real raison d'etre! This would fundamentally alter the dynamics of how people RP on the site, and how characters develop and pursue goals.
%Furthermore, we can have the whole system reset (as in boards go back to defaults) once or twice a year; perhaps even quarterly, except for changes which would logically be on-going- for example if someone blasts a hole in the roof of Las Nochas, and he's still sat on his throne looking pretty, then obviously, this would not be reverted. Destruction to Seireitei or Human world for example, however, would be fixed. Some degree of common sense(?) needs to be used by staff. Also, members would only be able to make 1 or 2 Requests per cycle.%
SITE HISTORY THREAD
I feel like we have such a rich, diverse cast of players and characters here at BSRP, that the least we can do is commemorate the things they do with a list of the large-ish events on-site. This would be simply put by listing the event in a sentence or two and then providing a thread link to the event in question. All board description changes would be added automatically upon getting approved- this would be the simplest way to have something added to site-history. Another way would be any plot that is approved for points that is a "site-wide" plot, again, added as soon as it is approved. This would truly give meaning to "site-wide" scale plots for points.
Members could, I suppose, also make site-history requests, however they would probably only be approved if they affected a large enough number of people to be considered site-wide- a minimum requirement of somewhere between 5-10 different characters (and they have to each be played by a different person) should be provided - each of them showcasing a scenario where they had been affected by the event in question, whether it be in a functionary or emotional level.
Another option for member requests for Site-History would be similar to making a board-change request. Someone makes an [OPEN] thread and says that they're doing some thing in particular and if no-one stops them it gets added but this only works for events of a large enough scale. (So someone buying an ice cream wouldn't get added! But someone killing 28,000 people in a city somewhere could)
OVERALL
We definitely should do something to revitalize RPing on the boards. We have no real on-going plot, it basically only ever changes when we have a time-skip. The closest thing is site-wide events staff run and often they aren't really considered canon and stuff and they also are run infrequently, and cause much strain on staff's resources.
BOARD DESCRIPTION MODIFICATION REQUESTS Not certain I like the specific mechanics, but I do think it's a very good idea to make the board descriptions editable via character actions filtered by staff checking the threads. The overall goal of making the world respond to us is awesome and very worthwhile pursuit.
SITE HISTORY THREAD Definitely agree that it would be a sound idea to have a record of what's changed on a big enough scale for people to notice. On the old site, I was frequently surprised by big changes to the areas that I only discovered through side conversations in the cbox. Having a record of big deal stuff would be wonderful.
GOTEI 13 I mostly disagree with these details, as I see no reason to arbitrarily restrict individuals lacking a specific rank. That just makes it a mad rush to fill the slots. In bankai's case particularly, it's more likely the sword that provides the method anyway. Otherwise you'd have Byakuya knowing about Renji's bankai and the like. That having been said, I do recommend people go for the ranked positions a bit more. Just, let players build power, and use that as a reason to join the ranked positions, not using the ranked positions to keep power from people (social power shouldn't trump personal power).
I kind of agree with Reathin on everything on here, but as someone who pushed to get things changed and having staff feel like it was some arduous task to reward us for actually plotting something and doing it, it was fucking annoying. Honestly, there was a lot of stuff done and said on the side to combat our growth there. People didn't like The Alliance -because- we changed stuff through our writing, no one liked what we were doing but when openly said they could tag along or try to oppose us, no actions were taken. And then we got more hate flung our way. That is the problem you will have to understand will happen.We're going to "re-take" LN, and by "re-take", I mean go in and find/get all of our stuff in order. You also have to understand you will get nay-sayers on the whole changing stuff thing, but those are the people who are literally all talk and no action. They dont want other people to change things because they, themselves are too fucking lazy to do anything. These people, honestly, are just meant to be ignored and their opinions disregarded until proven they wish to do more than talk.
I'm not fond of your equation, simply because say...someone wants to stop us from our goals for LN, and they get their buddies, and it turns into a conflict where they lose. No one's going to want to challenge that, not for a good long while. Honestly, if someone is stalling for time from posting, they should just be considered defeated and either killed/enslaved. No timers, no nothing. One big fuck-off battle then and there. I'm also not going to "request" to do anything that would require changes, I'm just going to do them and if someone really wants to stop me, they can certainly go ahead and try. This again is just a stall for time to try and find people to oppose any changes going on (That staff might not like, trust me, I've had to deal with this before. See above). Maybe make it a sticky note in the respective world that whatever happening there, is happening.
As for history, again as someone who has had a character who has had friends in many places and done a lot, history is important. Major things that happened should be kept on a time line, maybe have three with 1 being human world, and 2/3 being SS/HM. That way its just not one single line with hundreds of lines sticking out. This also shows where a majority of activity has taken place, what and when and how those activities took place. A backlash, again pointing above, its going to incite some hate, as other members bitter at the people doing things. But the positive spin on that is its going to show new members that there IS activity and we're keeping track of it. Out of all things, this is something that needs to be pushed to get up to speed. Obv mods have shit to grade and whatnot, so each region should have their own table of folks who are in charge of taking note of what is going on and who is doing what. No need to make request threads, obviously, just a topic for people to say "hey, this is going on" or "hey, this has happened". Give us the link, a basic of what went down and BAM, added to the timeline.
Also keep in mind, with my opinions of these matters, I'm just going to come out and say it that I'm a changer,and I make shit happen. There have always been bumps in the road, but as users its us to smooth out the bumps and clear the path.
Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Aug 16, 2015 5:40:31 GMT
The problem is Koz is that people can then choose to literally just ignore stuff unless Staff choose to recognise it. And for staff to recognise it there has to be a bureaucratic process involved. That's the difference between writing your own plot, and changing the site itself.
Post by Askin Nakk Le Vaar on Aug 16, 2015 5:43:50 GMT
GOTEI 13
I do believe the Gotei should have more arbitraty organization and limits since it is in fact a military. Some of the changes presented here are too far reaching such as the bankai one, since as Reathin stated thats more in regards to personal power. The thread invasions are a really good idea if you ask me. One thing I'd like to see done in regards to Gotei 13 organization would also be more staff run / canon run missions and duties. The gotei is a military after all and instead of arbitrarily limiting what they can learn, I'd rather just see them have to fill quotas in rp scenarios. For example, the second division is directly linked to the Onmitsukido so the seated members would have more thread opportunities in division wide jailing and assassination threads. If theres no canon in the captaincy then staff would have to keep missions in rotation. This incentivizes those seated positions as they present more possibilities that simply power levelign an unseated random wouldnt. This would also require actually giving each division specific duties tho so idk.
BOARD DESCRIPTION MODIFICATION
Idk how the specific mechanics would work and such but I like the idea that we can shape the world around us without needing that silly canon board super box.
SITE HISTORY
yes yes and yes. i like the idea of keeping record of bigger events. makes more incentive to actually create larger events than just sitting on max rank characters
Nyet, comrade. I said I wasn't going to do a request thread and wait to do it. I'm just going to do it, and Mods will know. If I've done what I wanted to do, and no one opposed me, guess what? It is changing. Whether or not they want to read the entire process of what I've done or want a TL;DR, they will know. If BM, Reathin, Gaen and myself spend several threads getting LN back up and running, its back up and running, then its our turf. People who don't recognize that and decide to go there anyways can have themselves quite the welcoming party.
yes yes and yes. i like the idea of keeping record of bigger events. makes more incentive to actually create larger events than just sitting on max rank characters
This is literally the epitome of Theocelese, doing shit and not being a trophy character.
Post by Askin Nakk Le Vaar on Aug 16, 2015 6:19:47 GMT
The thing about havign to go through staff every step of the way disheartens rpers like Koz because they function at a higher speed than staff would allow. Going through staff for everything would limit the process quite a bit i feel. I believe that the storyline should be member-centric in that we make the plots, we do the world changing actions. We shouldnt need to ask staff "is this allowed", "can i do this here" if its a question of allowable then staff should step in only after but at the initial process it should be member centric i feel
Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Aug 16, 2015 8:11:09 GMT
The misundersttanding (just to add some clarity) is where the approval for the changes happens- this approval should happen after the changes have taken place IC, as opposed to before. (So you post the notice that you're making a change so people can oppose you, you sort all of that out and when you've successfully made the change IC, then you submit it for approval where the staff then look at it, make objections if there's been any rule-breaking, or make the changes if not).
Post by Askin Nakk Le Vaar on Aug 16, 2015 17:02:02 GMT
Im very for limiting the vasto population. The site suffers so hard from top loaded power creep that Vastocars dont even mean shit anymore......remember a time when there were rumored to only be 4 vastos alive at a time....remember when vastos simply being around others meant they died simply because the power difference was that high......
Eh, they said that 10 vl arrancar could squish SS, not that there were 4ish in existence. Not much of a threat, if it can't come to pass after all. Arbitrarily limiting vasto might improve realism, to a minor extent, but it would also create an "old members only" club for them which would suck royally (and I say this as someone who's already in that hypothetical club and not wanting another vasto).
Plus, Kubo pulled 26 new Captains+ out of his hat when the Sternritter came into play. Powerful entities aren't common on a global scale, perhaps, but they aren't THAT rare.
Post by Askin Nakk Le Vaar on Aug 16, 2015 21:40:03 GMT
Not sure how credible this is but the wiki states:
" It is said that their entire number within Hueco Mundo can be counted with the fingers on one's hands. "
so take with that as u will.
Also in terms of power, in bleachverse its like these powerful entities have years and years of power behind them and condensing them to such short times as are done on site does lead to severe inflation. Arbitrary limits to preserve some semblance of the importance of time in relation to power
Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Aug 16, 2015 23:27:22 GMT
It would be different Mike because members would control it, it would progress a lot faster, and people would have to pay attention. In BSRP we tend to skip the big conflicts and go to the periods of relative peace in between so this would put some member-generated action and conflict to the fore-front.
As for limiting bankai- like I said that was a tenuous suggestion. I do stand by the fact that in a millitary organization like the Gotei, those people who do possess power would thereby have to stand in a position that befits their rank properly, and making people with Bankais take seats, or making an OC squad for people who are all stronger than captains or something would make more sense than all the HL unseated people running around.
Not sure how credible this is but the wiki states:
" It is said that their entire number within Hueco Mundo can be counted with the fingers on one's hands. "
so take with that as u will.
Also in terms of power, in bleachverse its like these powerful entities have years and years of power behind them and condensing them to such short times as are done on site does lead to severe inflation. Arbitrary limits to preserve some semblance of the importance of time in relation to power
I'd be suspect unless that has an actual quote to back it up, as it certainly doesn't sound familiar with me.
Beyond that, there's the fact taht we DO have a limit to prevent super-rapid growth, due to the minimum post limits. That wasn't in place when we had the initial startup phase, but it's online now. You want to be a VL, you have to post a great deal. And there's also the fact that this is an RP written with many people, rather than one author who sets all the details. Quick growth is always going to be a thing in this environment. Trying to artificially limit it unduly punishes latecommers. The post limit should at least force some time and integration before we see any more.
Post by Askin Nakk Le Vaar on Aug 17, 2015 17:12:43 GMT
Aren't late comers punished by default for you know....not having tenure. Who's going to cry that there are systems in place that make them work for the high levels of power present. Those people who would cry don't deserve it if they want it handed to them with minimal effort to be honest.
Idk how it should be done but I definitely want this skewed top loaded power scale to be re-adjusted. When max rank is the predominant rank of the population there's a problem
Post by Ellis Akahito on Aug 17, 2015 17:56:50 GMT
Then perhaps Bankai Trials could be more harshly graded, and in order to reach higher ranks then more posts for said character is required? I would say this could be better than having to learn how to do a trial from someone else.
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