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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 18:46:05 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 18:46:05 GMT

What do we know?

Constant-Release Type: Zanpakutō which are always in Shikai form because of the strength of their wielders' spiritual power, or, more importantly, their lack of control over it.

Constant-Release are also exceedingly rare. We know that those who do have a Constant-Release Zanpakuto have Reiatsu that they themselves lack the necessary control over.

How does one fix this? Simple. Gain control over that Reiatsu. Now does this mean it has something to do with Shikai? Only vaguely. The only thing it has to do with Shikai is the fact that the Zanpakuto doesn't have a sealed form. A Constant-Release Zanpakuto isn't affected in any way by the type of Shikai or the techniques or connection to the Zanpakuto Spirit thereof.

Does this mean the only way to not be subject to the cap in Reiatsu is to not have a Zanpakuto? No. Because this means by simply setting the Zanpakuto down you are no longer subject to it, but once you pick it up you're once again subject to it. This makes literally no sense, since you'd have to retrain Reiatsu Control over and over and over and over and over again everytime you pick up your Zanpakuto once you've set it down.

The ONLY example in canon of a Constant Release Zanpakuto changing is Ichigo and really he's an exceedingly special case when it comes to this as his Zanpakuto was never truly a Zanpakuto until the current arc according to both his Spirit and the CREATOR of the Asauchi; Ōetsu Nimaiya.

What is an Asauchi? An Asauchi is the base template for what will become a Zanpakuto (Once more according to Ōetsu Nimaiya). Is it stated anywhere in canon or otherwise that a Constant Release Zanpakuto can never become a regular Zanpakuto? No. The only thing a Constant-Release Zanpakuto means is that, as stated in the start of this post, a Shinigami's Spiritual Power is beyond their current control, however it does not ever state a Shinigami cannot gain control over this. Ichigo merely has never tried because he's far more preoccupied with, y'know, the plot. He is also, again, an extremely special case.

So what is my suggestion? Make it so that, through In-Character training, one can learn to control their Reiatsu and seal their Zanpakuto and, in doing so, releases the cap on their Reiatsu Control and losing their Constant-Release Buff.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 18:51:20 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 18:51:20 GMT

So what is my suggestion? Make it so that, through In-Character training, one can learn to control their Reiatsu and seal their Zanpakuto and, in doing so, releases the cap on their Reiatsu Control and losing their Constant-Release Buff.

You can, however due to the balancing mechanic in place that we have. it has to be done before you "master" shikai. Because it is mechanically tied to it.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 18:56:39 GMT

Post by Seran on Apr 7, 2016 18:56:39 GMT

What Pika said. If you master your shikai while it is CR, then you are accepting both the positive and negatives as a permanent part of the link between your shinigami and their zanpakuto.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:06:53 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:06:53 GMT

Except this 1) Isn't mentioned ANYWHERE and 2) Staff have stated otherwise before. As I stated before, The Misinformation and Miscommunication the staff have given us especially on this matter is extremely annoying as, had I known the only way to get rid of CR was to completely get rid of a Zanpakuto and permanently lock yourself at HL, I'd of NEVER gone CR. But because I was told you could change it anytime you want (Being as how it ISN'T APART OF YOUR SHIKAI) I went with it.

Constant Release is specifically tied to the users ability to control their own Reiatsu, not their mastery over Shikai or their relationship with their Zanpakuto Spirit.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:17:44 GMT

Post by Seran on Apr 7, 2016 19:17:44 GMT

I've told you, and many others, several times before the Cbox answers do not hold weight. If you had wanted an "all mod approved" response you should have posted the question in helpdesk.

Also, the "no modifying your shikai after it is mastered" rule is very definitely written out in the guide. And Constant Release Shikai would fall under that. Beyond that we are not going to write out every single possible thing in the guide, that is what helpdesk is for.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:22:03 GMT

Post by Fuhrer-senpai on Apr 7, 2016 19:22:03 GMT

How does one fix this? Simple. Gain control over that Reiatsu. Now does this mean it has something to do with Shikai? Only vaguely. The only thing it has to do with Shikai is the fact that the Zanpakuto doesn't have a sealed form. A Constant-Release Zanpakuto isn't affected in any way by the type of Shikai or the techniques or connection to the Zanpakuto Spirit thereof.

Easier said than done. The lack of control comes from the immense amount of reiatsu the character possesses. In canon, what you have stated is true, but with a lot of the mechanics on BSRP, things have been changed, CRS being one of them.

Does this mean the only way to not be subject to the cap in Reiatsu is to not have a Zanpakuto? No. Because this means by simply setting the Zanpakuto down you are no longer subject to it, but once you pick it up you're once again subject to it. This makes literally no sense, since you'd have to retrain Reiatsu Control over and over and over and over and over again everytime you pick up your Zanpakuto once you've set it down.

It's not your Zanpakutou that makes you have a cap on your reiatsu, it's your immense reiatsu affecting your ability to seal your Zan. So whether you're holding your Zanpakutou or not plays no factor in your Reiatsu Control mastery.

What is an Asauchi? An Asauchi is the base template for what will become a Zanpakuto (Once more according to Ōetsu Nimaiya). Is it stated anywhere in canon or otherwise that a Constant Release Zanpakuto can never become a regular Zanpakuto? No. The only thing a Constant-Release Zanpakuto means is that, as stated in the start of this post, a Shinigami's Spiritual Power is beyond their current control, however it does not ever state a Shinigami cannot gain control over this. Ichigo merely has never tried because he's far more preoccupied with, y'know, the plot. He is also, again, an extremely special case.

We only have two canon examples of a CRS, Ichigo and Kenpachi, both of which have been described to have a monstrous amount of reiatsu, far beyond that of even the other captains. If they were able to gain control of their reiatsu, they would become even more deadly. Because of this broken mechanic (CRS users having far more reiatsu than their peers who should otherwise share the same rank), we've changed the way CRS works, by giving it buffs. Because of these buffs, CRS is considered part of the Shikai because the buffs offer an extra shikai ability.

So what is my suggestion? Make it so that, through In-Character training, one can learn to control their Reiatsu and seal their Zanpakuto and, in doing so, releases the cap on their Reiatsu Control and losing their Constant-Release Buff.

As I've said, this does not work with the way BSRP's mechanics work.

Except this 1) Isn't mentioned ANYWHERE and 2) Staff have stated otherwise before. As I stated before, The Misinformation and Miscommunication the staff have given us especially on this matter is extremely annoying as, had I known the only way to get rid of CR was to completely get rid of a Zanpakuto and permanently lock yourself at HL, I'd of NEVER gone CR. But because I was told you could change it anytime you want (Being as how it ISN'T APART OF YOUR SHIKAI) I went with it.

Constant Release is specifically tied to the users ability to control their own Reiatsu, not their mastery over Shikai or their relationship with their Zanpakuto Spirit.

1.) It's stated in the Shinigami guide, under CRS. The guide states "A Zanpakutou that is forever activated within its Shikai state. There are both perks and disadvantages to the Constant Released blade." with forever being the key word there.

2.) You're not locked to HL permanently, I have no idea where you're getting this idea. You can gain bankai with CRS, and you're able to reach AL-A with one average and everything else mastered.

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2016 19:24:03 GMT by Fuhrer-senpai

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:24:32 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:24:32 GMT

CONSTANT RELEASE LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT'S TIED TO A USERS SPIRITUAL STRENGTH!

If Constnat Release has nothing to do with your own personal strength or spiritual strength then it shouldn't cap your Reiatsu Control as it would have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Constant Release has literally nothing to do with your Shikai as it doesn't give you any extra advantages during Shikai except a passive boost SOMETIMES to Strength/Speed which, by the way, CAN BE ACHIEVED by simply making 2 tier 2 passives that do the exact same thing without giving up literally anything except 2 tech slots. I should also add on that a x2 boost is .5 advantages which, at any rank, is nothing. Literally nothing. I've been told over and over and over and over and over and over and over anything offsite isn't official but anything ON SITE is official, regardless of where it's posted.

This is, YET AGAIN, Another Miscommunication on the staffs part. I can't legitimately remember how many times the staff have miscommunication with each other and the members of the site have to suffer for it. NOWHERE on the site does it state that Constant Release is specifically tied to a Shikai and a Shikai's power, if it did then the benefits you get should SCALE WITH YOUR MASTERY, not be a flat amount otherwise it DOESN'T tie in with your actual SHIKAI other than "You always have it active" Which, by the way, can be done WITHOUT being Constant Release as Kensei himself has shown since his Zanpakuto is ALWAYS released but he ISN'T a Constant Release.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:28:42 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:28:42 GMT

Constant Release has literally nothing to do with your Shikai

if this is true, then why do people without shikai not have it O_O

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:30:47 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:30:47 GMT

How does one fix this? Simple. Gain control over that Reiatsu. Now does this mean it has something to do with Shikai? Only vaguely. The only thing it has to do with Shikai is the fact that the Zanpakuto doesn't have a sealed form. A Constant-Release Zanpakuto isn't affected in any way by the type of Shikai or the techniques or connection to the Zanpakuto Spirit thereof.

Easier said than done. The lack of control comes from the immense amount of reiatsu the character possesses. In canon, what you have stated is true, but with a lot of the mechanics on BSRP, things have been changed, CRS being one of them.

I never said that it would be easy to gain control, only that it should be possible if extremely difficult.

Does this mean the only way to not be subject to the cap in Reiatsu is to not have a Zanpakuto? No. Because this means by simply setting the Zanpakuto down you are no longer subject to it, but once you pick it up you're once again subject to it. This makes literally no sense, since you'd have to retrain Reiatsu Control over and over and over and over and over again everytime you pick up your Zanpakuto once you've set it down.

It's not your Zanpakutou that makes you have a cap on your reiatsu, it's your immense reiatsu affecting your ability to seal your Zan. So whether you're holding your Zanpakutou or not plays no factor in your Reiatsu Control mastery.

This only proves my point that Constant Release ISN'T tied to your Zanpakuto, But yourself.

What is an Asauchi? An Asauchi is the base template for what will become a Zanpakuto (Once more according to Ōetsu Nimaiya). Is it stated anywhere in canon or otherwise that a Constant Release Zanpakuto can never become a regular Zanpakuto? No. The only thing a Constant-Release Zanpakuto means is that, as stated in the start of this post, a Shinigami's Spiritual Power is beyond their current control, however it does not ever state a Shinigami cannot gain control over this. Ichigo merely has never tried because he's far more preoccupied with, y'know, the plot. He is also, again, an extremely special case.

We only have two canon examples of a CRS, Ichigo and Kenpachi, both of which have been described to have a monstrous amount of reiatsu, far beyond that of even the other captains. If they were able to gain control of their reiatsu, they would become even more deadly. Because of this broken mechanic (CRS users having far more reiatsu than their peers who should otherwise share the same rank), we've changed the way CRS works, by giving it buffs. Because of these buffs, CRS is considered part of the Shikai because the buffs offer an extra shikai ability.

Zaraki Kenpachi's zanpakuto wasn't Constantly Release, it simply didn't have a sealed form as has been revealed in the Manga Chapter 667 by Byakuya himself.

2.) You're not locked to HL permanently, I have no idea where you're getting this idea. You can gain bankai with CRS, and you're able to reach AL-A with one average and everything else mastered.

Except that you ARE. If you read what I wrote before the only way for you to get rid of CR is to abandon your Zanpakuto entirely, meanign you no longer have access to your Bankai and thus are permanently restricted to HL because the chances of getting an Asauchi again from how I understand is next to impossible since once you lose your Zanpakuto Soul Society basically views you as not being worthy of having another.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:33:52 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:33:52 GMT

Should your zanpaku-tõ be destroyed or lost potentially for good, you may personally submit a request at the academy to receive a new one, should your case be deemed a legitimate one.

taken from the shinigami guide btw in response to -

Except that you ARE. If you read what I wrote before the only way for you to get rid of CR is to abandon your Zanpakuto entirely, meanign you no longer have access to your Bankai and thus are permanently restricted to HL because the chances of getting an Asauchi again from how I understand is next to impossible since once you lose your Zanpakuto Soul Society basically views you as not being worthy of having another.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:36:11 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:36:11 GMT

Apr 7, 2016 19:33:52 GMT Pika said:

Should your zanpaku-tõ be destroyed or lost potentially for good, you may personally submit a request at the academy to receive a new one, should your case be deemed a legitimate one.

taken from the shinigami guide btw in response to -

Except that you ARE. If you read what I wrote before the only way for you to get rid of CR is to abandon your Zanpakuto entirely, meanign you no longer have access to your Bankai and thus are permanently restricted to HL because the chances of getting an Asauchi again from how I understand is next to impossible since once you lose your Zanpakuto Soul Society basically views you as not being worthy of having another.

You have personally stated that Soul Society won't replace a Zanpakuto should you lose it in any way. I should also reiterate that, As Blitzy has stated herself, Your Zanpakuto has nothing to do with the fact you're a Constant Release User. It's your immense Reiatsu. However there are no mechanics that I've found nor anything in Canon stating that such a user might not be able to gain control over their Reiatsu once they get strong enough.

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Constant Release Apr 7, 2016 19:48:38 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:48:38 GMT

Official Staff Response

TLDR; Read the guides when in doubt. They are there for a reason.

This is beginning to get a bit out of hand. As mods we have given our official ruling on the subject, just kinda split between the three of us. Here is the recap:

Constant Release Shikai is rare even within the canon, with Ichigo having the only confirmed canon example. That being said the powers it gives are vague at best and we have taken liberties to make them functional on the site. Just because something is a certain way in the canon does not mean we can allow it here for balance reasons.

The effect of CRS comes from the overwhelming reiatsu/reiryoku of the shinigami. It is so massive that it is not that they lack the skill to control it, but that it cannot be controlled.

CRS works the same as a normal shikai, meaning if you want to edit any part of it this must be done before mastering it. This includes removing CRS. If you master your shikai while it is CR you are effectively accepting the positives and negatives of the effect.

The only other way to remove the effect is gain a new zanpakuto IC (which can be done).

And lastly as BM went over, just because something is said by a mod in Cbox does not mean it’s set in stone. If you had wanted a direct answer as to not “ruin your character” you should have gone to the helpdesk and gotten a response written out thoughtfully and backed by a majority of staff, and even then all things are subject to change for balance reasons. It’s far too easy for mods to read something wrong in the cbox because of its fast pace.

This is our final response and as such we will be locking the thread.

Last Edit: Apr 7, 2016 19:49:47 GMT by Pika

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 18:46:05 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 18:51:20 GMT

Post by Seran on Apr 7, 2016 18:56:39 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:06:53 GMT

Post by Seran on Apr 7, 2016 19:17:44 GMT

Post by Fuhrer-senpai on Apr 7, 2016 19:22:03 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:24:32 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:28:42 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:30:47 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:33:52 GMT

Post by Fuurinji on Apr 7, 2016 19:36:11 GMT

Post by Pika on Apr 7, 2016 19:48:38 GMT

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