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Post by Inigo Banderas on Jan 22, 2016 21:33:00 GMT
Why are vizard locked out of kido when masking up? In canon, Hachigen is shown using his mask to power up his kido. I feel this should be changed? @tesra Pika
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Post by BM on Jan 23, 2016 7:54:15 GMT
Actually no, he never directly uses kido with his mask on. He uses some kind of barrier technique that, while never directly stated, is implied to be the ability of his zanpakuto. This is given further traction in one of the recent manga chapters where he uses the same technique in conjunction withe the three other vizards all of which are using the powers of their shikai, implying again that the barriers are a part of his zanpakuto's abilities not kido.
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Post by GWEN OLIVAREZ on Jan 23, 2016 22:39:04 GMT
It's not actually implied once? Neither he nor Tessai has had their zanpakutos revealed- it was always a kido-like ability, not a zanpakuto-like one. The wiki says the barrier is kido!
My point still stands that it seems really pointless to exclude Vizard from using kido since there is 0 evidence in canon that the mask prohibits them from using it at all.
Pika said it was in there for balance reasons- I'd like an explanation for what the balance issues are and to see if I could come up a way to bypass it with reasonable drawbacks.
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Post by BM on Jan 23, 2016 22:45:27 GMT
If we're going solely on the balanced front it has to do with how cooldowns work. The techniques related to a give mastery have separate cooldowns, so if you used a tier V offensive reiryoku tech you could still use a tier v offensive kido tech without having a cooldown. Because vizards have so many masteries which have techniques associated with them (all the shinigami and hollow ones) they have a distinct benefit when it comes to this aspect of cooldowns. To balance this they cannot use kido while in mask and cannot use hollow abilities without mask.
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Post by GWEN OLIVAREZ on Jan 23, 2016 22:54:18 GMT
Wait what?
That's new. When did that happen? I wasn't aware that was a thing at all.
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Post by GWEN OLIVAREZ on Jan 23, 2016 22:55:27 GMT
Dammit no way- different classes don't have separate cooldowns I refuse to believe it that is definitely new if it is true.
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Post by GWEN OLIVAREZ on Jan 23, 2016 23:02:16 GMT
Yeah so that is actually not a thing.
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Post by Kazaazz on Jan 24, 2016 18:05:52 GMT
BM added this into the tech guide yesterday, but it definitely previously wasn't a thing before (to my knowledge). I've removed it so that ALL staff can contribute to the potential of this before it's added to the guide as an update. (I know it's important to don't jump the gun dude).
My reasoning as to why vizard can't use kidou with their mask on is as follows (c/p from PM for convenience):
Primarily, balancing. It balances the following:
1) They would have access to three Racial Perk Masteries at once, Mask Control, Kidou and Cero/Bala. The idea was to make one mastery available when putting the mask on, but removing the ability to use another. It was also meant to highlight the 'become less Shinigami and become more Hollow' lore approach, since Kidou is a mastery unique to Shini.
2) You could potentially use Shunko at the same time your Mask is on. As putting on your mask grants you an extra advantage, it was seen to be too overpowered in combination with it.
3) And as a personal note, I think that it was meant to give downsides to the Mask Control Mastery and that it wasn't a completely all-pros no-cons mastery.
Here's hoping this helps.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jan 25, 2016 10:40:51 GMT
Would it be possible therefore to make a technique that;
●Allowed the user to continue to use kido when masking up at the expense of the other masteries.
●Locked them out of shunko while doing this.
●Also came at a cost to mask post count.
●Could only be used at mastered mask control.
So the first two address the balancing issues and the third one is a drawback in order to make it reasonable to do this. The last is because it would make the most sense to do this.
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Post by Kazaazz on Jan 25, 2016 22:55:59 GMT
Even if they were locked out of Shunko as a drawback, it's still a technique that's bending mastery rules in order to be used. And that's generally a pretty big no-no. Sorry Marcian, don't think it's possible.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Jan 27, 2016 2:53:15 GMT
Hmm looks like I'll be taking Blod's plot in a new direction. No worries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 22:57:17 GMT
I have a question. I know that we are alowed to make our own masteries. What are your thoughts on the ability to make a mastery called 'Masked Kido'? It would use custom techs, start at beginner and follow all the additional rules of Kido. That way you still get kido styled abilities but dont get the benefit of just being a master of kido.
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Post by BM on Feb 16, 2016 23:33:45 GMT
I have a question. I know that we are alowed to make our own masteries. What are your thoughts on the ability to make a mastery called 'Masked Kido'? It would use custom techs, start at beginner and follow all the additional rules of Kido. That way you still get kido styled abilities but dont get the benefit of just being a master of kido. That wouldn't be allowed, custom masteries are almost purely aesthetic and what you're talking about would be basically using it to bypass the set rules.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 23:55:11 GMT
Custom masteries are allowed to be combat based though, but what about making a sub mastery category for hollow techniques that makes techniques that look and are cast like kido? It would even have its own sub mastery under Hollow Techs.
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Post by Blodeuwen Hirashi on Feb 17, 2016 2:22:58 GMT
Because at that point you might as well just use hollow techs.
My question was literally just because I have a char with spec'd kido and was wondering if I would actually benefit from having her go vizard.
New (related) question: if you were spec'd into Kido and then took Viz ress would your cap disappear and could you spec into something else??
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Post by Kazaazz on Feb 28, 2016 18:31:07 GMT
Blodeuwen Hirashi, for sure. You would lose your spec (and mastery entirely), so feel free to pick something else to spec. However, I don't think it would be free.
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